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		<title>By: ARTPatient</title>
		<link>http://castory.wordpress.com/2009/01/04/surrogate-mothers-art-bill-2008-part-1/#comment-239</link>
		<dc:creator>ARTPatient</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jan 2009 11:10:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My Husbands great-grandmother had 14 children and 6 miscarriages. Nobody restricetd her reproductive rights then and a century later, fertile women can still exercise the option to get pregnant as many times as they want for their own children. The govt. may have norms and guidelines but not laws barring pregnancies. So maybe the woman herself and the doctor should be the best judge for how many pregnancies she is ready to go through.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My Husbands great-grandmother had 14 children and 6 miscarriages. Nobody restricetd her reproductive rights then and a century later, fertile women can still exercise the option to get pregnant as many times as they want for their own children. The govt. may have norms and guidelines but not laws barring pregnancies. So maybe the woman herself and the doctor should be the best judge for how many pregnancies she is ready to go through.</p>
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		<title>By: ARTPatient</title>
		<link>http://castory.wordpress.com/2009/01/04/surrogate-mothers-art-bill-2008-part-1/#comment-238</link>
		<dc:creator>ARTPatient</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jan 2009 10:51:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The draft mentions thalassemia as an example - &quot;identifiable and common genetic disorders such as thalassemia.&quot;, not as the sole disorder to be identified.
BTW, not all of the gd you mentioned can be easily tested in India.
PGD can check for a single gene disorder at a time by removing  and testing a cell from an early embryo, not the entire spectrum of gd in the world.It is done to check for a gd when one of the parents is a carrier.
Take DMD(duchennes) for ex.  Its an x-linked disorder.Firstly,If the egg donor has had a son,father or brother,who is affected  or if the sperm donor is affected by dmd, it would be mentioned in the form and it is highly unlikely they would be selected as donors.The surrogate of course, does not contribute to the childs dna and so a gd in her would not affect the child.
Of course, none of these checks are enforced on natural conceptions either, nor are they necessarily available if you wish to go in for adoption.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The draft mentions thalassemia as an example &#8211; &#8220;identifiable and common genetic disorders such as thalassemia.&#8221;, not as the sole disorder to be identified.<br />
BTW, not all of the gd you mentioned can be easily tested in India.<br />
PGD can check for a single gene disorder at a time by removing  and testing a cell from an early embryo, not the entire spectrum of gd in the world.It is done to check for a gd when one of the parents is a carrier.<br />
Take DMD(duchennes) for ex.  Its an x-linked disorder.Firstly,If the egg donor has had a son,father or brother,who is affected  or if the sperm donor is affected by dmd, it would be mentioned in the form and it is highly unlikely they would be selected as donors.The surrogate of course, does not contribute to the childs dna and so a gd in her would not affect the child.<br />
Of course, none of these checks are enforced on natural conceptions either, nor are they necessarily available if you wish to go in for adoption.</p>
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		<title>By: anu</title>
		<link>http://castory.wordpress.com/2009/01/04/surrogate-mothers-art-bill-2008-part-1/#comment-237</link>
		<dc:creator>anu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jan 2009 01:39:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;&gt;2. “What about tests for Genetic disorders?”Contract between the Semen Bank and the ART Clinic (See Rule 15.1)
3. ...................... and identifiable and common genetic disorders such as thalassemia.

The draft mentions thalasemia, but there is long list of inheritable diseases that can be checked out prior, to egg/sperm/embry donation or seeking a surrogate mother. I wonder why genetic counseling is not made mandatory for all concerned? When there are tests available why not use it prior to the big decisions/procedures?

Achondroplasia 
Adenosine deaminase deficiency 
Alpha-1-antitrypsin deficiency 
Alzheimer&#039;s disease (AAP gene) 
Beta thalasemia 
Cystic fibrosis 
Epidermolysis bullosa 
Fanconi anemia 
Gaucher&#039;s disease 
Hemophilia A and B 
Huntington&#039;s disease 
Muscular dystrophy (Duchenne and Becker) 
Myotonic dystrophy 
Neurofibromatosis type I 
OTC deficiency 
P53 cancers 
Phenylketonuria 
Retinitis pigmentosa 
Sickle cell disease 
Spinal muscular atrophy 
Tay Sachs disease 

Is it not mandatory because most of these tests can be done by preimplantation genetic diagnosis (PGD) of the embryo? That opens another can of undesirable issues that would need endless debating, but I believe it is extremely dangerous to push it through without debate, does not bode well for anybody; parents, child or surrogate, except maybe the clinics. 

&gt;&gt;is an equally high probability of a child who is available for adoption being unhealthy-having an abnormality/ genetic disorder or other problems caused by having had a less than ideal environment in the womb or after birth. Anyway Adoption has no relevance to the issue at hand.

The argument was for, if the child is born with abnormality, then a healthy child..... of course what you say is true, health can take a downturn anytime.

I agree adoption is a personal decision.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;&gt;2. “What about tests for Genetic disorders?”Contract between the Semen Bank and the ART Clinic (See Rule 15.1)<br />
3. &#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;. and identifiable and common genetic disorders such as thalassemia.</p>
<p>The draft mentions thalasemia, but there is long list of inheritable diseases that can be checked out prior, to egg/sperm/embry donation or seeking a surrogate mother. I wonder why genetic counseling is not made mandatory for all concerned? When there are tests available why not use it prior to the big decisions/procedures?</p>
<p>Achondroplasia<br />
Adenosine deaminase deficiency<br />
Alpha-1-antitrypsin deficiency<br />
Alzheimer&#8217;s disease (AAP gene)<br />
Beta thalasemia<br />
Cystic fibrosis<br />
Epidermolysis bullosa<br />
Fanconi anemia<br />
Gaucher&#8217;s disease<br />
Hemophilia A and B<br />
Huntington&#8217;s disease<br />
Muscular dystrophy (Duchenne and Becker)<br />
Myotonic dystrophy<br />
Neurofibromatosis type I<br />
OTC deficiency<br />
P53 cancers<br />
Phenylketonuria<br />
Retinitis pigmentosa<br />
Sickle cell disease<br />
Spinal muscular atrophy<br />
Tay Sachs disease </p>
<p>Is it not mandatory because most of these tests can be done by preimplantation genetic diagnosis (PGD) of the embryo? That opens another can of undesirable issues that would need endless debating, but I believe it is extremely dangerous to push it through without debate, does not bode well for anybody; parents, child or surrogate, except maybe the clinics. </p>
<p>&gt;&gt;is an equally high probability of a child who is available for adoption being unhealthy-having an abnormality/ genetic disorder or other problems caused by having had a less than ideal environment in the womb or after birth. Anyway Adoption has no relevance to the issue at hand.</p>
<p>The argument was for, if the child is born with abnormality, then a healthy child&#8230;.. of course what you say is true, health can take a downturn anytime.</p>
<p>I agree adoption is a personal decision.</p>
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		<title>By: anu</title>
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		<dc:creator>anu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jan 2009 16:56:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[ARTpatient] welcome to this blog and the discussion!

I have only time to respond to one of the points you have raised, the others are important I will address them a little later, please pardon me the delay.

&gt;&gt; 25) The identity is not revealed quote/excepting information on the name and address – that is, the individual’s personal identity – of the gamete donor or the surrogate mother/

I wrote point 25 as it was not clear to me because of this: please see page 68 and 69 of the draft.

&quot; The need to make the couple aware, if relevant, that a child born
through ART has a right to seek information about his genetic parent /
surrogate mother on reaching 18 years, excepting information on the
name and address – that is, the individual’s personal identity – of the
gamete donor or the surrogate mother. The couple is not obliged to
69
provide the information to which the child has a right, on their own to
the child when he / she reaches the age of 18, but no attempt must be
made by the couple to hide this information from the child should an
occasion arise when this issue becomes important for the child.&quot;

If the child seek this information and is given it according to the above writing, the logical lead would be that the child may seek to find the surrogate mother, or am I missing a point here?

Like I wrote in the post, the draft is a complicated one and affects multiple people with each of its regulations, respective support groups will have to tease it out and help put in the stuff that is humane to all participants. 

we on this blog are as concerned about the parents and childs -rights and safeguards as we are of the surrogate mothers. We are hoping that parallel support groups for the ones involved are active and we are able to exchange concerns and work in a healthy manner towards giving the required feedback to ICMR on the draft, that would take care of the physical, emotional, psychological health of the parents, surrogates and the child. 

ARTpatient, if you are part of a support group for parents availing ART, may I request some links for their discussion forums (if open) it would be wonderful to follow those discussions so we are able to read more clearly into the issues. Thanks very much for stopping by and sharing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[ARTpatient] welcome to this blog and the discussion!</p>
<p>I have only time to respond to one of the points you have raised, the others are important I will address them a little later, please pardon me the delay.</p>
<p>&gt;&gt; 25) The identity is not revealed quote/excepting information on the name and address – that is, the individual’s personal identity – of the gamete donor or the surrogate mother/</p>
<p>I wrote point 25 as it was not clear to me because of this: please see page 68 and 69 of the draft.</p>
<p>&#8221; The need to make the couple aware, if relevant, that a child born<br />
through ART has a right to seek information about his genetic parent /<br />
surrogate mother on reaching 18 years, excepting information on the<br />
name and address – that is, the individual’s personal identity – of the<br />
gamete donor or the surrogate mother. The couple is not obliged to<br />
69<br />
provide the information to which the child has a right, on their own to<br />
the child when he / she reaches the age of 18, but no attempt must be<br />
made by the couple to hide this information from the child should an<br />
occasion arise when this issue becomes important for the child.&#8221;</p>
<p>If the child seek this information and is given it according to the above writing, the logical lead would be that the child may seek to find the surrogate mother, or am I missing a point here?</p>
<p>Like I wrote in the post, the draft is a complicated one and affects multiple people with each of its regulations, respective support groups will have to tease it out and help put in the stuff that is humane to all participants. </p>
<p>we on this blog are as concerned about the parents and childs -rights and safeguards as we are of the surrogate mothers. We are hoping that parallel support groups for the ones involved are active and we are able to exchange concerns and work in a healthy manner towards giving the required feedback to ICMR on the draft, that would take care of the physical, emotional, psychological health of the parents, surrogates and the child. </p>
<p>ARTpatient, if you are part of a support group for parents availing ART, may I request some links for their discussion forums (if open) it would be wonderful to follow those discussions so we are able to read more clearly into the issues. Thanks very much for stopping by and sharing.</p>
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		<title>By: ARTPatient</title>
		<link>http://castory.wordpress.com/2009/01/04/surrogate-mothers-art-bill-2008-part-1/#comment-235</link>
		<dc:creator>ARTPatient</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jan 2009 16:04:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Regarding some of the points raised
2. &quot;What about tests for Genetic disorders?&quot;
Contract between the Semen Bank and the ART Clinic
(See Rule 15.1)
3. The Bank shall ensure that the sperm / egg donor is free from HIV and
hepatitis B and C, infections, hypertension, diabetes, sexually transmitted
diseases, and identifiable and common genetic disorders such as
thalassemia.

16) In the event of child born with abnormality:

There is an equally high probability of a child who is available for adoption being unhealthy-having an abnormality/ genetic disorder or other problems caused by having had a less than ideal environment in the womb or after birth.
Anyway Adoption has no relevance to the issue at hand.

25)What about surrogate mothers rights, it is assumed that she will be ok with a child turning up at her house 18 years later? 
The identity is not revealed.
quote/excepting information on the name and address – that is, the individual’s personal identity – of the gamete donor or the surrogate mother/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regarding some of the points raised<br />
2. &#8220;What about tests for Genetic disorders?&#8221;<br />
Contract between the Semen Bank and the ART Clinic<br />
(See Rule 15.1)<br />
3. The Bank shall ensure that the sperm / egg donor is free from HIV and<br />
hepatitis B and C, infections, hypertension, diabetes, sexually transmitted<br />
diseases, and identifiable and common genetic disorders such as<br />
thalassemia.</p>
<p>16) In the event of child born with abnormality:</p>
<p>There is an equally high probability of a child who is available for adoption being unhealthy-having an abnormality/ genetic disorder or other problems caused by having had a less than ideal environment in the womb or after birth.<br />
Anyway Adoption has no relevance to the issue at hand.</p>
<p>25)What about surrogate mothers rights, it is assumed that she will be ok with a child turning up at her house 18 years later?<br />
The identity is not revealed.<br />
quote/excepting information on the name and address – that is, the individual’s personal identity – of the gamete donor or the surrogate mother/</p>
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		<title>By: Mary</title>
		<link>http://castory.wordpress.com/2009/01/04/surrogate-mothers-art-bill-2008-part-1/#comment-233</link>
		<dc:creator>Mary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 05:38:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is really gratifying to see that our article has led to such responsible and critical discussions on the proposed ARTs Bill.  May I suggest that Anu and others ensure that some of this get back to the ICMR and the Health Ministry, since they have been pressurised to take feedback seriously?

regards
mary</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is really gratifying to see that our article has led to such responsible and critical discussions on the proposed ARTs Bill.  May I suggest that Anu and others ensure that some of this get back to the ICMR and the Health Ministry, since they have been pressurised to take feedback seriously?</p>
<p>regards<br />
mary</p>
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		<title>By: Hari</title>
		<link>http://castory.wordpress.com/2009/01/04/surrogate-mothers-art-bill-2008-part-1/#comment-230</link>
		<dc:creator>Hari</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Jan 2009 07:32:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This seems to be a good idea. I can add visual media to my working. It will help surrogates better.

Thank you for that wonderful thought. I can see you have thought deep on these aspects.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This seems to be a good idea. I can add visual media to my working. It will help surrogates better.</p>
<p>Thank you for that wonderful thought. I can see you have thought deep on these aspects.</p>
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		<title>By: anu</title>
		<link>http://castory.wordpress.com/2009/01/04/surrogate-mothers-art-bill-2008-part-1/#comment-225</link>
		<dc:creator>anu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jan 2009 10:36:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Verbal counseling vs visual counseling of medical situations that might arise due to ones participation in ART procedure (say embryo transfer/carrying multiple babies to term) is what I am getting at. 

It would have the power of transcending language barriers, that is scientific-medical terminology laden English to women who have no prior information about these situations. A video, say about Preeclampsia symptoms and its effects will convey a lot that is required and help her make a more informed decision. I am talking about entire packages of video materials that details all of the ART procedures. Which should be used in several stages as counseling material, to mentally prepare  the surrogate undertaking this endeavor. 

We want the surrogate mothers to be informed and be aware of the consequences of her decision right?

She wanting to build a much needed house, or save up for her childrens educations will be of little use is if she herself becomes ill  due to medical complications arising from ART procedures. She would be able to evaluate more clearly when she understands what is at stake.

One of the reasons that India is a destination for reproductive tourism is the advantages that can be leveraged out of ignorance of surrogate mothers. The Clinics hiding behind incomprehensible terminology and keeping ignorance levels status quo will be mitigated if the draft regulations demands that clinics and agencies develop and use visual medium while counseling the surrogate mothers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Verbal counseling vs visual counseling of medical situations that might arise due to ones participation in ART procedure (say embryo transfer/carrying multiple babies to term) is what I am getting at. </p>
<p>It would have the power of transcending language barriers, that is scientific-medical terminology laden English to women who have no prior information about these situations. A video, say about Preeclampsia symptoms and its effects will convey a lot that is required and help her make a more informed decision. I am talking about entire packages of video materials that details all of the ART procedures. Which should be used in several stages as counseling material, to mentally prepare  the surrogate undertaking this endeavor. </p>
<p>We want the surrogate mothers to be informed and be aware of the consequences of her decision right?</p>
<p>She wanting to build a much needed house, or save up for her childrens educations will be of little use is if she herself becomes ill  due to medical complications arising from ART procedures. She would be able to evaluate more clearly when she understands what is at stake.</p>
<p>One of the reasons that India is a destination for reproductive tourism is the advantages that can be leveraged out of ignorance of surrogate mothers. The Clinics hiding behind incomprehensible terminology and keeping ignorance levels status quo will be mitigated if the draft regulations demands that clinics and agencies develop and use visual medium while counseling the surrogate mothers.</p>
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		<title>By: Hari</title>
		<link>http://castory.wordpress.com/2009/01/04/surrogate-mothers-art-bill-2008-part-1/#comment-224</link>
		<dc:creator>Hari</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jan 2009 10:10:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am puzzled with your last comment. Well, a visual medium will aid who??

Every surrogate should be informed of her rights and responsibilities. It is the role of the hospital to provide her with appropriate counseling. I am sure there is so much that needs to be done in this field.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am puzzled with your last comment. Well, a visual medium will aid who??</p>
<p>Every surrogate should be informed of her rights and responsibilities. It is the role of the hospital to provide her with appropriate counseling. I am sure there is so much that needs to be done in this field.</p>
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		<title>By: anu</title>
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		<dc:creator>anu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 13:12:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hari, that would be wonderful. A bunch of us from medical and non medical fields are trying to understand what is in the draft. While this part of the draft is of interest to me, others are tearing apart the different aspects such as egg donations, the hospital criteria addressed and not addressed in the draft. So, all help is welcome. Thanks again.

Since this is a direct interaction between society and science and technology, the usual run ins and hiding behind scientific terminology is bound to happen. All of modern science is done with an English audience in mind. Even legal documents and contracts are filled with terms that cannot be easily explained or translated in understandable terms. But that is no excuse, a industry that is spinning on so much money, can definitely make use of the digital era and make information available in the form of short movies on each and every procedure. Visual medium can be used extensively here to overcome the difficulty in translating medical situations to participants not familiar with English.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hari, that would be wonderful. A bunch of us from medical and non medical fields are trying to understand what is in the draft. While this part of the draft is of interest to me, others are tearing apart the different aspects such as egg donations, the hospital criteria addressed and not addressed in the draft. So, all help is welcome. Thanks again.</p>
<p>Since this is a direct interaction between society and science and technology, the usual run ins and hiding behind scientific terminology is bound to happen. All of modern science is done with an English audience in mind. Even legal documents and contracts are filled with terms that cannot be easily explained or translated in understandable terms. But that is no excuse, a industry that is spinning on so much money, can definitely make use of the digital era and make information available in the form of short movies on each and every procedure. Visual medium can be used extensively here to overcome the difficulty in translating medical situations to participants not familiar with English.</p>
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